When you learn egos kill your band and hard work will save it, you’ve gotten one step on the pack. Kelly of NoMara certainly does.

John LeCompt (guitar), Kelly Burdge (vocals), Thad Ables (bass), Josh Grissom (guitar), and Jack Larson (drums) are the epitome of hard work and sincerity, or NoMara for fans of theirs. Originally formed in 2009, they took some time off and reformed in 2012. Now touring to support their new EP, …And So It Begins, the band is looking to get away from previous band member stops in bands, like Evanescence and Machina, to reinforce their brand and sound in the rock world.

We managed to track down Kelly to ask him some questions about the band, his experiences with Tesla, and brewery networking strategies. Get a tall, cold one and have fun with this conversation.

NRR: Thanks for taking some time out to answer some questions for National Rock Review. What’s been going on with the band, NoMara, in 2015?
Kelly Burdge: On behalf of the band, you are welcome and we appreciate it! This has been a great year for us. We hit the ground running in January going on a run of shows with Tesla and have been hitting the road on and off ever since. 2015 for us is strictly about getting our music to the people and developing those critical relationships with new fans. We released a five song EP titled, …And So It Begins, as a precursor to the full-length record due out early 2016. We also shot three videos to support the EP. We are very proud of this upcoming record; hope rock fans get the chance to hear it. In order for that to happen, we need to get out there and rock their faces off!
NRR: Your recently released EP album is …And So It Begins if my memory isn’t horribly fried. How was recording with John doing guitar and producing on this album?
Kelly Burdge: John is an incredibly talented musician. At every level from player to producer, to engineer he has to be one of the best out there. When people ask me what it’s like working with John, I keep coming back to the same response, “surreal.” He can be very demanding and there have been many times I have just wanted to pack up and go home. When he is in producer mode, the best thing for me to do is stay out of the way and wait for instructions. One of the cool things about the two of us writing songs is he is able to get things done quick, very little wishy washy, what should I do here stuff… very organic and instinctual.
NRR: It’s very cool you guys are giving the digital version of the EP for free to your fans. Will you walk me through how that came to be and how many accountants hyperventilated because of that decision?
Kelly Burdge: From a business standpoint most CFO’s would agree that a company that gives away its product will not be around very long and in most instances that is the case. Unfortunately, the music industry is up in the air when it comes to which formula works. For a newer band like us getting heard is the most important thing we need. Expecting people to download your music and pay for it when they have never heard of you is unrealistic especially when they are being bombarded by crappy ads millions of song choices. We did sell the EP for the first half of the year for only $5.00, which people find very reasonable, but even then hundreds may have left the show without one. We decided to give the download away and a hard copy at the shows for the rest of the year. We believe that it will pay off next time we come through. Hopefully those folks rocked it, loved it, shared with friends, learned all the words, and will be front row next time!
NRR: How did you settle on the name, NoMara? Buddhist Demons are pretty metal, especially lords of destruction, so what hooked you about it?
Kelly Burdge: All of us have our demons and temptations to deal with but in regards to how it applies to the band name, NoMara is about not taking out your personal problems on the people closest to you. Many of us have a tendency to verbally attack one another in a manner that resembles throwing darts at a pool hall. Just one or two stabs here and there won’t bring you down but over time those darts take a toll that leads to complete destruction. In this instance, “Mara” is the evil one inside us, “NoMara” is when we accept personal responsibility and recognize our loved ones are not the devil, they are not the fight. The fight should be internal… NoMara.
NRR: You guys, as a band, were around in 2009, took a break and got together again in 2012 or so. Was the need for a hiatus due to other projects and what caused the desire to reform and write new material exactly?
Kelly Burdge: The first record could best be described as a demo in the sense it was the first time I had attempted to write and sing. I spent a good amount of time collaborating with other songwriters on the first record to assist me with learning the art of writing melodic lyrics. The actual music on that record is incredible. We literally wrote the music for the track “Stripped” just weeks after John had departed from Evanescence. I can sense all his feelings and moods at the time every time I listen to the record. Vocally, my performance just was not on point as it needed to be. Live the band had not yet settled on members. At the time John was unavailable to tour so we relied on searching the countryside for the right guys and it just never worked out. I regrouped and went on an inward gut check journey on what to do next. No matter what, I knew I needed to keep writing songs. Several tracks surfaced as singles over the next couple years: “Empty Soldiers”, “Rise Immortal Rise”, and “All Along”. I loved those tracks, but the fire inside was still burning to make another record. John and I had several conversations on what we wanted the record to feel like, and we went to work. Two years later here we are with what I think will be one of the best cover to cover rock records of 2016.
NRR: I know you have already played with a big name trailblazer with Tesla, some true road warriors. Have you gotten any good advice from them or picked up some good habits from watching them while opening for them?
Kelly Burdge: Just try and imagine what it was like for those guys back when they first hit the seen. Money, drugs, alcohol, woman and inflated egos running wild made the odds of long-term survival almost seem impossible. Yet they stuck together through thick and thin, made decisions as a group, and, as a result, are still here today just as strong as ever. The backstage area of Tesla says it all. What used to be bottles on top of bottles is now replaced with juicing machines and healthy snacks. The message that sends to newer bands speaks volumes to those willing to learn. You will not get anywhere in music business today by drinking every night and being irresponsible. On a personal level, earlier this year I was talking to JK (Tesla frontman) about our new record and how I thought we definitely had a few chart-worthy songs. He looked at me and said, “Kelly, we write songs for the hearts, not the charts.”
NRR: Since the Tesla boys have gotten mentioned, what was the experience like filming a music video at a tour stop opening for the fellas?
Kelly Burdge: Filming our song “Tesla” while opening for Tesla in front of a sold out Hobart Arena crowd was one of those moments in life you never want to end. While writing the song, I always envisioned the video being done exactly the way it turned out. The crowd was amazing and responded very well especially since it was the first time most of them had ever heard it. If you watch the video, you can feel the authenticity. Tesla has the most loyal, respectful and supportive fans in the business.
NoMara – Tesla official music video
NRR: What has been one or two of the more difficult lessons you’ve had to learn since you started out to make your mark in music in either NoMara or other bands members have been in before now?
Kelly Burdge: There are no shortcuts and timing is everything. Most all of what I am learning falls into these two categories. I don’t know why this is but all bands seem to think they are owed something from the music biz once they have a record done. Oh wait, once they have a social media presence and a record. Although that does help, the reality is to make a legitimate attempt in this business requires daily networking and promotion. If you are someone from your “team” (assuming you have some kind help) is not on the phone or reaching out to “industry” people then someone else is beating [you] to the punch and they will likely be the next band to get picked or added. Once you are committed to those daily grinds and if the music is decent, you will one day be in the right place at the right time and get your chance to shine. Thinking your band is amazing won’t get the job done. I started my music journey later in life than most singers and to be honest, once the first CD was complete, I was expecting to get signed to a label, given a tour bus, and put right out on the road getting a good chunk for playing shows… little did I know.
NRR: I recently saw Marina Brink of In This Moment and Jacoby Shaddix from Papa Roach doing their song, “Gravity,” live the other night. Have you done any collaborations with another musical artist for any NoMara songs?
Kelly Burdge: I think collaboration between rockers is always a good thing. Unfortunately it does not happen enough. Not only does it sound killer, it presents a platform for cross marketing fan bases. The hip hoppers do it well. On this record we have a guest vocalist on two tracks, “Sell Out” and “Use Your Love.” Mr. Marty McCoy from Bobaflex can easily be heard in the choruses of both tracks. It’s funny how it all worked out. Both NoMara and Bobaflex do a lot of recording at Sonic Lounge Studios in Grove City, OH with the one and only Joe Viers. Both of us happened to be in the studio that day and I knew the choruses needed some gang vocals so we grabbed ole Marty and his bad ass jumped right in and smashed it.
NRR: How did you hear about the selling out of Tower Records copies of the album in Japan and what’s behind your popularity there do you think?
Kelly Burdge: John has always had a strong following in Japan dating back to the Evanescence days. Both John and Thad also had success over there touring with Machina. A gentlemen by the name of Hiro Arsihima with Grindhouse Records is the key person responsible for making the deal with Tower Records happen. NoMara embraces the people of Japan and would more than happy to play for them live. Hopefully the right things will happen next and we can make it a reality.
NRR: How does the group go through the writing process, is it all one person with help or is it a group effort from start to finish?
Kelly Burdge: So far the songs are done by John and me. We will get together and talk about the vibe of the song and then he gets to work back at his Red Room Studios. He emails me the music and I do my part lyrically. It seems to work so we try not to complicate it. John is constantly producing whether it be NoMara, Melissa Martin, Even Devils Die, or for studio clients. His ability to produce results in a timely manner is attractive to bands looking to get the most for their money. For me, I tend to let songs marinate for a period before I put my stamp of approval on them. I have been known to write several versions of each song with completely different melodies until I find the one that sticks in my head. On the upcoming record, I did some collaborating with a producer here in my town named Kevin Lankford. Kevin is an established producer and also very talented. Creating music is a process, not an event.
NRR: False Hope Fades is going out with you when you hit the road in Oct. What lead to picking them for at least the first leg?
Kelly Burdge: We met Rosie, singer for FHF earlier this year at show we did in Illinois and instantly became friends. Little did either of us know at the time we would both be working with A Team Entertainment on putting our next run of shows together. I did get to catch them live in Columbus, Ohio recently and am really looking forward to spending the next few weeks pulling pranks on them and rocking out.
NRR: If you had an adult beverage maker wanting to throw money and free product at you to sponsor a tour, is there a brewer or drink you’d happily welcome aboard? And would you need the truck following the tour bus?
Kelly Burdge: Well it’s funny you should bring this question up. Recently our label mates in the band Artifas turned us on to this great beer with a bunch of flavors called Lagunita’s. So I would certainly consider working with someone like them, (wink wink). For the record, John, Thad, and Josh are the beer drinkers in our band so they are excited about the possibility of a Lagunita truck following us around while Jack and I will continue to hold out for a water sponsor.
NRR: Last one, so make it count, (laughing). There are many stereotypes of rock n’ roll bands. What is something though that might be taken for granted by fans that bands have to deal with on a regular basis?
Kelly Burdge: I think fans take for granted rock bands will always be there. The reality is bands like us are disappearing and closing shop every day due to lack of support. Not only is the music being given away, very few people come out to shows anymore unless it is to see the significantly established bands. The experience of live rock music used to be a huge part of our culture and it has been replaced by iTunes and YouTube. Musicians have families and responsibilities like everyone else and can’t afford to spend thousands of dollars making great music only to have it downloaded free then head out on a tour that plays to ten people. There is a serious disconnect going on. Fortunately, I happen to be a believer in making lemonade out of lemons. As a band, we are aligning and surrounding ourselves with industry professionals determined to change this reality.

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